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5/15/2000 TV Interview: KOVR13 Sacramento, CA
from their website archives:
http://www.kovr13.com/
Since the beginning of history there has always been a small percentage of people who claimed mystical powers. Now, thanks to the world wide web, those people are able to find one another and compare notes. What they are saying is that children are leading the way in so-called psychic communications. The story in our Special Assignment.
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Baumgarten's 15-year-old daughter L.E.M. says she has spirit guides that she consults for everything from life-changing decisions to what supplements to take.
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Every child is special, but did you know that some are multidimensional? Tobin Hart, Ph.D. studies them at the University of West Georgia in Carrolton where he is an associate professor of Humanistic and Transpersonal Psychology.
Tobin Hart, Ph.D. / State University of West Georgia: "Usually parents are the ones who will say, 'You know, my kid just had something happen.'"
Things similar to what happened in The Sixth Sense where a little boy talks to the dead. Hart says his eldest daughter told him about her angel when she was seven.
Tobin Hart, Ph.D. / State University of West Georgia: "We proceeded to have a conversation, Haley's Angel and I. And she spoke - this 7-year-old - with a kind of profound wisdom that I had never heard this perky little kid talk with before."
Hart recently suggested his daughter ask the angel for help with a school assignment about Gospel singer Mahalia Jackson.
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Tobin Hart, Ph.D. / State University of West Georgia: "She said, 'Yeah, okay, I'll do that.' So about 15 or 20 minutes later she came downstairs and I said, 'How'd it go?' And she said, 'Well great, I saw Mahalia."
Hart said his little girl came back with amazing insights into the singer, things that were not in the book she had been reading.
Tobin Hart, Ph.D. / State University of West Georgia: "I asked her, 'How'd you get there? How'd you do it?' And she said, "I just laid on my bed for a minute and relaxed.' And then she said, 'I went in my mind to www.mahaliajackson.com,' and she said poof there she was. 'Mahalia was right there and I had this conversation.'"
Hart is writing a book about his research with children and this summer he will help North Carolina resident Nancy Baumgarten host an intuitive kids camp outside Atlanta.
Baumgarten's 15-year-old daughter L.E.M. says she has spirit guides that she consults for everything from life-changing decisions to what supplements to take.
L.E.M. / Has Spirit Guides: "I guess it started from birth. I mean, my mom's told me stories of me looking in corners of rooms when I was a baby at something that other people can't see."
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“E” says her children are indigos and must prove their abilities to the public.
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Baumgarten says the turning point for her belief in her daughter's abilities came one night when L.E.M. saw two beings in a doorway. L.E.M. told her mom later the beings wanted to know where they were.
Nancy Baumgarten / Sacred Geometer: "And she said in her two-and-a-half-year-old style, 'You're not from here.' Oh, that was very helpful to these poor people. And that's when I realized we needed to give her a little more background in what I had learned in metaphysics about different levels of reality so that she could be of more assistance the next time somebody asked where they were when they were astral traveling."
So the question follows, which came first: the daughter who believes in spirits or the mother who believes her daughter can see spirits.
Child psychiatrist James Margolis says parents need to be on the side of reality.
James A. Margolis, M.D. / Psychiatrist: "You need to find out why it is the kid is seeing these ghosts and spirits. Is it, you know, because they're upset about something? It's important to understand what the child's really trying to communicate."
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Though L.E.M. gets annoyed about talking about herself on TV, she has her own website.
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“E”: "These children are here to change the world."
Auburn mother and online channeler “E” says she and her sister's children have been discriminated against in school because they see things differently.
One of those things they saw differently was a ghost named Maria.
“E”: "My son speaks about her all the time. She closes his door."
“E” says her children are indigos and must prove their abilities to the public. She says the next generation of kids will be crystal.
“E”: "The crystal generation will be, they will be accepted from day one."
For now most people have a lot of questions when someone says they can speak with the spirits.
L.E.M. / Has Spirit Guides: "There's people contacting me, like news people, and sometimes that's sort of, sometimes I find that annoying. I don't really want to be on TV."
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Child psychiatrist James Margolis says parents need to be on the side of reality.
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Maybe not, but she has her own website and she will help her mom with the intuitive kids camp this year.
James A. Margolis, M.D. / Psychiatrist: "I think they're exploiting the children. I think that if you've got a young child that may be more sensitive to things than other kids, that ought to stay in the family. Not go on television, or the net or those kinds of things."
Tobin Hart, Ph.D. / State University of West Georgia: "There's another danger. That we ignore this and that we don't honor what kids are telling us. And whether that's called spirit or soul or god or whatever, I don't think it matters. I just think we know empirically that it's there, that it exists and we have contact."
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J ennifer Whitney, KOVR 13 Special Assignment.
Posted to the web on 5/16/00 at 10:00 AM
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